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#1 DocM

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 02:51 PM

Blur Origin's RBS launcher, which is not the Next Generation Launch System being built with ULA, will also use the BE-4 methane first stage engine and their recently qualified BE-3 upper stage engine.

A suborbital vehicle, New Shepard, is also using the BE-3 engine and and is expected to start test flights later this year.

The SV crew vehicle is a biconic capsule originally a competitor in NASA's Commercial Crew competition.

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Blue Origin eyes Cape Canaveral to build, launch rockets

A billionaire-backed company that aspires to make human spaceflight more affordable would build rockets near Kennedy Space Center and launch them from Cape Canaveral if state officials can secure its commitment in the coming weeks.

Blue Origin, founded in 2000 by Amazon.com CEO Jeff Bezos, could choose from among several states as soon as next month. Brevard County is a contender to win a rocket manufacturing site and up to 300 jobs in preparation for orbital launches in the next five years.

"I have talked to Jeff Bezos, urging him to come to the Cape," U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson told FLORIDA TODAY, confirming Seattle-based Blue Origin is the company the state has been wooing under the code name of Project Panther.

Blue Origin's arrival would be a boost for the Space Coast's future in the commercial space sector, not long after SpaceX chose Texas as a commercial launch site.

It would also mark a successful conclusion to a deal forced to shift gears late when the company's preferred launch site near Volusia County ran into obstacles, threatening the state's bid.

The state's revised proposal would have Blue Origin set up a manufacturing site in Exploration Park, a planned research and industrial complex outside KSC's south gate, and launch from Launch Complex 36, a state-run pad on Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

Blue Origin so far has confirmed only that Florida is one of the states it is considering for orbital launches. "We're hoping to make a decision about that soon," said company President Rob Meyerson.

The company plans to begin flight tests this year of a suborbital spacecraft designed to carry at least three people. It is also developing an engine to power a new rocket for United Launch Alliance, the U.S. government's primary launcher of high-value missions.

Fighting for Shiloh

Talks about the so-called Project Panther initially focused on the state's proposed Shiloh commercial launch complex, which straddles the Brevard-Volusia border on property NASA shares with the Merritt Island National Wildlife Refuge. A rocket factory would have been located in nearby Oak Hill in southern Volusia County.

Blue Origin was one of the first commercial space companies to express interest in the Shiloh site after Space Florida in 2012 asked NASA for 200 acres of land there for one or two launch pads.

Like SpaceX, which plans to build a private launch complex in Texas, Blue Origin believes commercial launchers need facilities outside NASA or Air Force control to thrive, just as commercial aviation operates independently from military bases.

Blue Origin will fly its New Shepard suborbital capsule from its own private range in western Texas, a step toward development of an orbital rocket and spacecraft.
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Posted 13 April 2015 - 05:36 PM

Blue Origin test this week

http://tfr.faa.gov/s...ail_5_6644.html

Issue Date : April 13, 2015 at 1629 UTC
Location : FOR VAN HORN, New Mexico near SALT FLAT VORTAC (SFL)
Beginning Date and Time : April 14, 2015 at 1300 UTC
Ending Date and Time : April 14, 2015 at 1800 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : DUE TO ROCKET LAUNCH ACTIVITY WITHIN A 3 NM RADIUS THE SALT FLAT
Type : Space Operations
Airspace Definition:
Center: On the SALT FLAT VORTAC (SFL) 127 degree radial at 24 nautical miles. (Latitude: 31º26'43"N, Longitude: 104º46'48"W)
Radius: 3 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to and including 7500 feet MSL
Effective Date(s):
From April 14, 2015 at 1300 UTC
To April 14, 2015 at 1800 UTC

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 05:09 PM

http://tfr.faa.gov/s...ail_5_1252.html

Issue Date : April 22, 2015 at 1724 UTC
Location : VAN HORN, Texas near SALT FLAT VORTAC (SFL)
Beginning Date and Time : April 23, 2015 at 1400 UTC
Ending Date and Time : April 23, 2015 at 2359 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : DUE TO SPACE FLIGHT OPERATIONS WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS 17NM RADIUS OF 3127N10446W OR THE SALT FLAT
Type : Space Operations


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 07:35 PM

Altitude: "from surface to unlimited" !



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:21 PM

Altitude: "from surface to unlimited" !

 

To infinity and beyond!!!!

 

Maybe they should claim a few meters sub surface..... just in case


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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:39 PM

Unlimited because their site is an FAA certified sole operator spaceport.
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Posted 30 April 2015 - 02:35 AM

Blue Origin New Shepard suborbital capsule system test flight to 307,000 feet. AIUI the capsule did a Soyuz style braking burn to slow the capsule. Hearing they lost the booster, again (they lost another in 2013.)





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Posted 30 April 2015 - 03:43 AM

Bezos post. They lost the booster.

https://www.blueorig...-of-new-shepard
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Posted 30 April 2015 - 02:14 PM

Rumors about Blue's orbital booster from baldusi at NSF (but with a BE-4 thrust number correction and BE-3 info by me),

S1 engines: 6x BE-4 methane
S2 engine: BE-3 hydrogen
S1 thrust: 14.4 MN (3.3 mlbf)
S2 thrust: 490 KN (110,000 lbf}
GLOW: ~1,250 tonnes
LEO (disposable): ~25 tonnes
LEO (reusable): 12+ tonnes

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 09:44 AM

Rumors about Blue's orbital booster from baldusi at NSF (but with a BE-4 thrust number correction and BE-3 info by me),

S1 engines: 6x BE-4 methane
S2 engine: BE-3 hydrogen
S1 thrust: 14.4 MN (3.3 mlbf)
S2 thrust: 490 KN (110,000 lbf}
GLOW: ~1,250 tonnes
LEO (disposable): ~25 tonnes
LEO (reusable): 12+ tonnes

 

 25 tonnes to LEO is a serious rocket! Surprised they would go that route on their first orbital rocket.

 Any info on the specs for the New Shepard? I suspect they could get an orbital rocket by using three copies of the New Shepard a la the Delta IV Heavy.

 

 


Bezos post. They lost the booster.

https://www.blueorig...-of-new-shepard

 

 

 I wonder if they used an "open system" for the hydraulics like the one that failed on the first SpaceX barge landing attempt. Also, it is notable the New Shepard engine is highly throttleable to it can use a hovering approach to landing.

 

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Nanotechnology now can produce the space elevator and private orbital launchers. It now also makes possible the long desired 'flying cars'.
 

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 02:47 PM

If it works out, this baby could put a BA-330 up without a "heavy" version.  Cool!!!


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Posted 01 May 2015 - 11:27 PM

Thise current New Shepard vehicle looks like a core stretch of the 2013 vehicle, save for the capsule, an engine swap; 3 small dev engines then but now a single BE-3 hydrolox (probably why the tank stretch), and losing the fold out circumferential air brakes at the top. It also had piston landing gear vs the new folding "bug legs." That 2013 vehicle was about 3.7m wide and 12m high.

It's possible NS could be evolved into an upper stage for their orbital launcher, possibley a BE-3 based version of ACES.

Don't see a medium class triple core NS orbital vehicle. They're aiming higher.

It also looks a lot like the rather phallic spaceship in Flesh Gordon ;)

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 11:53 PM

Whatever it is, it sets a new benchmark for ugly!



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Posted 02 May 2015 - 12:02 AM

Check it out with the upper ring fins and bug legs deployed. Looks a bit like a bacteriophage virus.

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 12:40 AM

What is the meaning of the feathers showing up now?



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Posted 02 May 2015 - 01:04 AM

Not sure, it's new so a subject of speculation. Could be the obvious: lands soft as a feather or is symbolic of a bird. With Blue being so secretive who knows?
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Posted 03 May 2015 - 12:12 AM

WRT the dimensions ... I was moved to comparing the spaceships depicted in 2010 (movie). The elegant Discovery One vs the blunt Leonov.
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Posted 09 May 2015 - 04:50 PM

New Shepard crash site found.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:27 PM

Gonna be some kinda tough to fix that one......


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Posted 09 May 2015 - 10:16 PM

They have 2 more in production, with changes to the hydraulics.
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Posted 09 May 2015 - 10:59 PM

Just to elucidate ... the above is the remains of the propulsion module launched 29 April. The capsule soft landed via chutes. The PM was supposed to pull a SpaceX booster type landing but supposedly something in the hydraulics went Tango Uniform.
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Posted 10 May 2015 - 12:11 AM

Blue (they hate being called BO) should be flying suborbital passengers before either VG or XCOR. They have DC-X people working for them, and their BE-3 engine development seems solid.

What remains to be seen is how well BE-4 works and if they can jump straight from New Shepard to a Delta IV Heavy class launcher of their own in one jump, which seems to be the plan. Their imagery shows 6-7 BE-4's in their bird - >3.3-3.8 million lbf.

I don't mention Vulcan because in spite of ULA's enthusiasm the board one of ULA's parents, Boeing, is only funding Vulcan incrementally - 3 months at a time. No solid commitment yet.

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 02:58 PM

Blue is negotiating for a factory site in Florida

http://www.themanufa...ory-in-florida/

And given that Space Florida already has leases for pads they could sub-lease we may be seeing a hint at their orbital infrastructure.

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 06:03 PM

http://www.floridato...-plan/32003077/

Florida nears launch deal with Blue Origin

Space Florida is in the final stages of negotiations expected to earn Blue Origin's commitment to build rockets in Brevard County and launch them from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

The agency's board today gave its approval for staff to finalize the terms of financing and lease agreements with the private space company founded by Amazon.com CEO and billionaire Jeff Bezos, which aims to lower the cost of launching people to orbit.

The board meeting's discussion referred to the deal only by its code name of Project Panther, which FLORIDA TODAY sources have previously confirmed involves Blue Origin.

Space Florida President and CEO Frank DiBello said he expected more details to be made public "in the next month or so."
Howard Haug, Space Florida's treasurer and chief investment officer, said the deal represented more than $200 million of investment and several hundred jobs.

The funding will include $18 million combined from the Florida Department of Transportation, which supports aerospace infrastructure, and from the North Brevard Economic Development Zone.

FLORIDA TODAY earlier this year reported that the deal envisioned Blue Origin flying orbital missions from Cape Canaveral's Launch Complex 36. A manufacturing facility would be built in Exploration Park, the research and development park located just outside Kennedy Space Center's south gate.

Blue Origin is currently developing the New Shepard vehicle for suborbital flights of space tourists and science experiments launching from the company's private launch site in West Texas.

While developing a larger orbital rocket that would launch from Florida, the company also is developing an engine that United Launch Alliance hopes will power a new rocket slated to replace the Atlas V and its Russian-made engine.
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Posted 21 August 2015 - 02:54 PM

BE-4 on the test stand. Looks like an early development engine.

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